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^^^ Everything he said because I agree 100%

1. No. But never say never !
2. Yes i would look at the whole. I prefer to give rather than receive when it comes to oral.
3. Oh no thanks. I don't need a woman to be especially active in foreplay - certainly not yanking my pudding ! I like her to be active when we get down to the shagging though.
4. That would be fairly easy to correct unless it was an unwillingness to snog.
5 try and teach them but i'd be less patient than i would have been in the past. We learn a lot of people are not teachable and can tell fairly early on after trying. I won't flog a dead or a stubborn horse.
6 no - very unlikely

My turn.

1.Have a relationship with someone who said no sex before marriage or could not have sex for a personal reason?
A relationship without sex is a friendship. I couldn't do the whole "sex is sacred" bollox, that'd drive me nuts by about ooooh the 3rd date, in fact the minute they sounded like they leaned that way I'd be gone.

2. Have a rel with someone who did not do oral or who was really awful at it.
Nope. Been there, never again.

3. Or give decent hand jobs, or indeed any foreplay whatsoever.
Nope. Also been there and no never again.

4. Or snog well.
Rule of thumb: If they can't kiss there's no point going any further. I need my head to spin.

5. Would you get fed up with bad technique and dump them or try to teach them.
I do explain and teach if it's worth it but some people take no notice of any hints about how to please the other, in which case best off outta there IMO.

6. Or would you put up with all of the above in the hope that they'd change their minds/techniques, and how long would you put up with it until you got fed up and buggered off.
I have put up with all of the above in the past but I'm too old and crabby to be arsed anymore.

In a nutshell,i need to be with someone who's just as passionate & creative as me and who's a bit kinky and who loves being experimental & adventurous.

Ie: Someone who's at my "level" sexually or even "above" me ......

All the wimpy,vanilla,try-hards can keep moving...............

it all starts with the kiss.....and i truly don't think you can teach chemistry....

the passion of the kiss is the key for me and if that's not there, nothing else will be either...
not enough to have a relationship....so for me there's no point in having a relationship without that natural passion
that reflects in all things sexual....and really, we all know when it's hot and when it's not...

on the other hand, if I deeply loved somebody and felt truly loved by them and they were disabled, for example,
so could not have sex, I could live with it and accept it....as long as they could kiss, ideally, though it's not totally necessary....

and I could maintain exclusivity if our hearts and spirits were that joined...that much in love....but only in that extreme and rare case

1.Have a relationship with someone who said no sex before marriage or could not have sex for a personal reason?
No - sexual incompatibility is a relationship wrecker, wouldn't want to have made that commitment to then find out we were not suited.

2. Have a rel with someone who did not do oral or who was really awful at it.
A tough one cos I do like this. They would need to be very good in other ways to make up for none.

3. Or give decent hand jobs, or indeed any foreplay whatsoever.
No foreplay = no play

4. Or snog well.
If they don't snog well it's unlikey that they will get number 2 right either.

5. Would you get fed up with bad technique and dump them or try to teach them.
To have to teach someone is cringe worthy. Anyone can go google how to be a red hot lover.

6. Or would you put up with all of the above in the hope that they'd change their minds/techniques, and how long would you put up with it until you got fed up and buggered off.
6 months tops I recon

I've never been with a woman who didn't want to get nekkid after more than 2 or 3 dates, ever in my life.

^^^with out a doubt one of the biggest BULLSHYT lines I've read on these forums yet!!!!

REDDRAGON. wrote:

I've never been with a woman who didn't want to get nekkid after more than 2 or 3 dates, ever in my life.

^^^with out a doubt one of the biggest BULLSHYT lines I've read on these forums yet!!!!

Actually,. I believe it,. I know the type he's probably dating well..I guess it's my type too.BUT,. I have run into ones that just would NOT do the deed. One,.in particular, wouldn't even kiss me.. but she would show up @ my shop, bring beer (really good stuff,. not the kind I drink at all,. I did drink it to be polite) Be @ the bar I was hanging at ( was Misfits,.. now Jesters..i miss Misfits,. I fit well) Nice girl,.. interesting,. intelligent,. i just think she had Man-issues,.. she wanted to,. just let me get so close, then back up & studder,. Never did kiss her,. after about 6 or 8 of those episodes I closed the book on that.. I need somone to MORE than just talk to no matter how interesting their conversation is...
So lets see would I go out with them with no sex involved NO
Would I stay if they were terrible Probably,. I teach well..The thing about teaching is,. it's costly, in both time and emotion..and sometimes if you teach them,. they graduate and move on..So.. you have to be sure, your pupil is worth the investment,..

swan wrote:Would you .....

1.Have a relationship with someone who said no sex before marriage or could not have sex for a personal reason?

2. Have a rel with someone who did not do oral or who was really awful at it.

3. Or give decent hand jobs, or indeed any foreplay whatsoever.

4. Or snog well.

5. Would you get fed up with bad technique and dump them or try to teach them.

6. Or would you put up with all of the above in the hope that they'd change their minds/techniques, and how long would you put up with it until you got fed up and buggered off.

1. Yes... and that relationship would be a "friendship". Also note that I plan on NEVER getting married again. Marriage is a scam. I've done it once... and I make a point of not repeating past mistakes. Anyone who puts the condition of marriage on having sex to my eyes is trying to sell me a glorified prostitution and emotional/financial slavery package. And I certainly wouldn't be sexually "committed" to someone who says 'no sex'. I don't enter relationships in the hopes of staying celibate.

2. Yes I would... and as a matter of fact, I *was* in a relationship with someone who was awful at it... It wasn't an issue since she enjoyed vaginal and anal sex a lot. Plus she enjoyed when I did oral on her... which I enjoy doing. Plus I'm not hung up on *needing* to receive oral. I'm more of a giver.

3. No decent hand jobs or foreplay? Again... we're into friend territory. I don't enter relationships in the hopes of staying celibate.

4. Snogging... kissing... that's something that can be learned/taught. Yes, I would put up with that.

5. I would try to teach. Note that 'teaching' would involve *experimenting* and *practicing*... a lot. Heh heh heh

6. I wouldn't put up with it without saying anything. I don't expect people to read my mind. Nor do I claim to be a mind reader. I believe that if you want something... or want something to change, any emotionally mature person would speak up.
If the person wasn't open to changing anything, I wouldn't necessarily get fed up and bugger off. I would just tell that person that I'm dating/going to date other people. There's more to a relationship than just sex. But I'm not going to be in a sexually committed relationship to someone who doesn't want to have sex. And I definitely will NEVER play the idiotic "no sex before marriage" game... waaaaaay too risky even if I got lucky and the person I married was good in bed.

Marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

"Marriage is the leading cause of divorce."

And I can vouch for that! I've been married 2.6 times,.2 ended in divorce,. and the other,. well just ended,.. ba dahh dummp!