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TalkinThruMyHat wrote:

Equality and courtship rituals and behaviours don't belong in the same heap.
Equality is for equal laws, education, equal opportunity for jobs/pay and equal opportunities in politics.

Dating, love, courtship rituals don't belong.

So, you'd keep the obedience bit in the marriage vows then?

There are some very good leads these days that even have an option of stretching some distance.

Stress Free wrote:

Storm wrote: Some guys believe that a woman would be insulted if he held a chair for her. I have yet to discover a female who wouldn't be charmed by such attentiveness.
When in doubt, ask. Inquiring, "May I get that door for you?" or, "How about I pay this check and you take the next one?" can head off a world of misunderstanding.

Sometimes us men are hindered from showing too much courtesy in fear of being misread.
What to some can appear as manors and etiquette can appear as an indication of someone with old fashioned attitudes to women.
Plus women like to be made feel as if they are treat special by there partner and someone over polite,friendly and approachable to others can sort of cloud the sense of feeling that they are being view as special.
Sometimes we can not win!

You aren't wrong here, some men can be as much a bunny boiler as women so I do understand what you mean about all the signals of chivalry/politeness being misread, however I am sure there is a line between giving unwanted attention and purely being polite. Generally I see us as equals to an extent. I don't really want to be wow'd I want a man to like me for my qualities and my faults, if someone puts me up on a pedestal and tells me I am a wonderful person all I can do from there is fall, I am bound to be a huge dissappointment I would say the same for a man. First impressions can be completely false and deceptive of the real person you are meeting. Not saying this applies to everyone.. but everyone always intends to make a good impression first time round.

SummerAnabelle wrote:

Stress Free wrote:

Storm wrote:

First impressions can be completely false and deceptive of the real person you are meeting. Not saying this applies to everyone.. but everyone always intends to make a good impression first time round.

I generally tend to be a tw@t first time round because it just cuts out so much time.

Stress Free wrote:

Storm wrote:

First impressions can be completely false and deceptive of the real person you are meeting. Not saying this applies to everyone.. but everyone always intends to make a good impression first time round.

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I generally tend to be a tw@t first time round because it just cuts out so much time.[/quote]

haha better that than pretend to be some kind of wonderful fantastic guy who inevitably will turn out not as nice as you had hoped? lol x

So, you'd keep the obedience bit in the marriage vows then?

Now....(ponder).....
Where on earth did you get that from what I said???

I happen to like Nature...
Anything to do with "man and religion" has always been questionable to me.
Human beings love to challenge Nature for supremacy...and usually loses.

When something like "obedience" comes into play...it usually is human's insecurities....and therefore "man-made".

If I spot a decent looking bint across the room dancing I make eye contact, slam my drink down,slowly siddle up to her with my knuckles dragging,turn around and artfully slide my bum crack up and down her leg.
Then I give her and the room a powerful glance and swagger back to my drink.
Sorted!

Dang it I took the first five things and tried them .Failed miserably, and I thought they would help . Ps just so the women know there is a reciprocation test where as, if the man opens your door you should lean across and unlock his door . Of course this is only applicable in cars with manual locks .

Electrical locks works just as well. But then you might miss the cleavage.

Stress Free wrote:If I spot a decent looking bint across the room dancing I make eye contact, slam my drink down,slowly siddle up to her with my knuckles dragging,turn around and artfully slide my bum crack up and down her leg.
Then I give her and the room a powerful glance and swagger back to my drink.
Sorted!

what are you a dog?? LOL oh better run away now!

1. Show respect
2. Listen
3. Be on time
4. Be generous
5. Be reliable

Here's a news flash for you: These desirable qualities in a SO are not male-centric. As you said yourself, "No one wants to be treated with anything less than thoughtfulness". So take a lesson from your own words and cut out the sexism.

Storm wrote:5. Be reliable
A gentleman's word is his bond. If you say you're going to call, call.

But isn't too much praise/flattery just B?S to try and get into a woman's pants? Sometimes us guys tend to over do it, you have to find a fine balance.
Otherwise it doesn't seem genuine.