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oldhippie wrote:I agree with the OP. It bugs the heck outta me.
As I went through 30 years of parenting.. over 25 children.. I never had a loud 'noisy' child with me in a store. The exception being some type of happy 'noises'.
They were taught "no".
Kids learn what they can and can't get away with. Kids also thrive on boundries being made and heeded to. Tends to make them happy kids!
When I'm in a store and I see/hear a mom fuss-fuss-yell and the child fuss-fuss-scream I see such frustration on BOTH their faces... and it's horribly sad for me to see.
It does not have to be that way, with polite good teaching skills.

What..

You never experienced a toddler in your care having a tantrum when you were trying to get your shopping done or in any other situation at least once?

haha...it's perfectly normal for them to throw a wobbler, it's a stage in their development..they have to do it - you can only learn to deal with tantrums once you've experienced them ..it's not like you can actually plan ahead to avoid them..toddlers aren't reasonable creatures, they're total egoists.

I LOVE that you do that, Belle! Me too! Even though its makes for a "bus driver's holiday" for me
I wouldn't have it any other way. Kids are magic and little machines that just respond predictably.
If they are bored or frustrated they are going to make it known.
I love to engage them and "click" enjoy the magic reversal that happens for everyone, including me,
in that situation. ALWAYS makes my day.

Sometimes all the training in the world( and I am a very assertive conservative leader to children)
cannot curb the frustration of shopping with or doing anything with, for too long, people who have no
clue how uninteresting what they are doing is to little ones. Especially when you are at hip height and
can't see what's going on let alone be included in the interaction.

I agree. So many people just haven't got the ability to put themselves in a kids shoes or even the intellect to try and teach a kid something when an opportunity is there in everyday tasks.

i have had few problems with toddlers. I agree they can be challenging but ime no where near as bad as people make out.

zangie wrote:As for anywhere else...I don't know, I don't have children...but, as a child I was taught how to behave in public...and running around , and screaming, and anything destructive was not permitted..and there were consequences..

More parents need to heed that.

When I was younger and living with my folks, my sister moved back in with her husband and two kids. They allowed their kids to do whatever they wanted. Their philosophy was the kids were just being kids and having fun. They could break sh*t and there were no consequences. This created a lot of problems in the household. They would be outside playing in the yard and completely destroy mom's garden. This was a big no-no, as my mother took her gardening seriously.

I realize that kids will be kids, but they need to be taught right from wrong, common courtesy and a sense of accountability. My sister and her husband failed to do that. Both kids are in their teens right now and I have little hope for them. They are both on a path to no-where. It's a shame.