Vigilantes

[restless_native]

The rules of vigilante justice are:

Do it yourself, involve no one else, don't talk about it, ...before or after.

Same as murder

the do gooders always twist things around and take them out of context..we aint talking about murder now humph..so there is real no need to bring that word into it..we aint talking about the old wild west masked lynch mobs who hung the outlaws from trees..etc we are talking about (well i am anyway) organised vigilante groups who dish out punishment to persistent anti social and violent thugs who terrorise whole neighbourhoods and get away with it again and again..i was talking to a lady only a few days ago and she and her husband are trying to move house because they are under attack from a gang of chavs every night who smash there windows..smashed there car up..try to kill her dog..and give them nothing but threats and abuse every night..and the police wont do nothing but issue threats of asbos and sh*t to the offenders..now if this sort of thing would of happend in northern ireland 10 years ago..then the republican or loyalist paramillirity vigilante groups would of warned the gang off and told them to stop..and if there warning was ignored..then the offenders would be beaten with baseball bats and pickaxe handles..and then if the offenders kept offending..then they would of been kneecapped..and this is the sort of thing we need here..because the police and the justice system aint doing there job proper and protecting the people who need protection..somtimes its neccessery to fight fire with fire...im not talking about murdering people..but warning them off with the threat of action..and then a good fecking beating if the warning is ignored...

In theory I'd agree that it probably wouldn't do those kind of toerags any harm to receive a bit of a slap.

However, how could we ensure that it only happened to the ones who deserved it? Personally I don't think we could.

[chopper]

However, how could we ensure that it only happened to the ones who deserved it? Personally I don't think we could

that is the idea behind people setting up a proper vigilante commitee..they could then monitor who is causing the trouble and who is not..then give out a few stern warnings to the persistant offenders..then dish out a fitting systematic beating to the guilty culprits..it would be alot more effective than a asbo and alot cheaper on the goverments coffers..except for the hospital bills of course... .

[restless_native]

that is the idea behind people setting up a proper vigilante commitee..they could then monitor who is causing the trouble and who is not..then give out a few stern warnings to the persistant offenders..then dish out a fitting systematic beating to the guilty culprits..it would be alot more effective than a asbo and alot cheaper on the goverments coffers..except for the hospital bills of course... .

The thing is that we currently have a judicial system which is supposed to carefully examine the evidence and only convict if it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt. They fvck up all the time though.

I just think a vigilante commitee would be even more likely to make mistakes. If we're not careful we'd end up living in a world where parents would be frightened of letting their kids go out in case they got a kicking for something they didn't do. That's what happened in Northern Ireland when the IRA were nailing people to the pavement. Granted people weren't scared of the criminals any more. But, they were still too scared to go out at night. The only thing that had changed was the reason for it.

[Humphrey Osmond]

the do gooders always twist things around and take them out of context..we aint talking about murder now humph..

Ha ha, "do gooders", ...such a nasty epithet.

I was talking about murder...

When it comes to "getting justice" for a child taken from you (context = the two posts above mine), ...well, let's just say I think it happens more often than we hear about, ...as for "do gooder", ...funny, I never said whether I thought it was unjustified. I just pointed out the best way to get away with it.

[chopper]

the do gooders always twist things around and take them out of context..we aint talking about murder now humph..

Ha ha, "do gooders", ...such a nasty epithet.

I was talking about murder...

When it comes to "getting justice" for a child taken from you (context = the two posts above mine), ...well, let's just say I think it happens more often than we hear about, ...as for "do gooder", ...funny, I never said whether I thought it was unjustified. I just pointed out the best way to get away with it.

sorry humph..didnt read it through correct..hang em high it is then...

[Jo van]

Every film I've seen of Northern Ireland, when "the republican or loyalist, paramilitary vigilante groups" were about, it didn't seem like it was making it a better place to live...?
Perhaps FG could enlighten us...?
All I ever saw were huge gangs of kids, throwing rocks, and burning bottles at other kids doing the same, or at cars, or buildings, or the police... or the Army...
I think they're better off without the vigilantes, they were just violent criminals.

True, the IRA "Policed" the drugs trade, but that's just because they wanted it,
the same with all the illegal weapons coming in.
They' d "kneecap" offenders.
I don't think you've thought it through Chop.

[Humphrey Osmond]

sorry humph..didnt read it through correct..hang em high it is then...

Well, whether it is or isn't, ...I'm keeping shtum.

I think that what everview one will profess or admit to believing, whether it's to do with "rule of law" being sacrosanct in regards to justice and society, or that capital punishment is not morally justified when applied by a society; breaks down when one is personally involved.

Personal retribution exists, we all hear about isolated incidence that upon contemplation and self-examination we wonder, "what would I do if someone did that to my child" ...(the big one, but also ...spouse, parent, sibling, friend or extended family)?

What would I do?

....let's just say, ...I wouldn't talk about it.

[chopper]

I don't think you've thought it through Chop.

of course i have jo..dont i always...? your right about the paramilitrys taking over the drugs trade to use the money for arms..but they also wouldnt allow house breaking..car theft..muggings and rape..etc either..any of that stuff was a no go in there neighbourhoods..admit it jo..you have to fight fire with fire somtimes..and not fight fire with asbos..cautions and holiday camps...it dont work..

[swan]

Shoot the fekkers. The lot of 'em. Sorted.

[HannaSolo]

I'm sort of hoping people are exaggerating for effect, because the idea of this "Mad Max" type of society I'm picturing from some of these posts just doesn't jive with my idea Britain. Maybe I'd be less do-gooderish if I lived in that kind of place - I have no idea. I live in a place where I still feel safe 99.9 per cent of the time, and some of the stuff I'm actually afraid of is more accidental type things, like car crashes and planes dropping out of the sky (and I don't mean terrorism, I mean accidents - I was about 15 seconds away, flying time, from where the Swiss Air 111 went down because of faulty "entertainment system" wiring.) I also know there are creeps and thugs here, too, and bad things happen to people because of it. But these stories ... they just seem so unreal. I can't wrap my head around it, to be honest.