Sarkozy and the Roma

[Fingerless Glove]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9I181BG0

During the past week Sarkozy has stated that he will continue to remove the Roma from France due to the up levels of crime in areas where they settle...he said that he feels strongly that it is not his country's duty to integrate the Roma with settled people, that it is the duty of the Romanian government and other home nations of the Roma to look after their own.

What do you think?

[chopper]

i watched a documentry about the roma people on youtube a few months back..and it was all about the romanian goverment and its people and the trouble they are having with a certain section of the roma people..according to this documentry which was done by ross kemp..most of the romas are nice people except for one massive clan who are responsible for most of the crime and prostetution and sh*t..and they have spread out all over europe and even into the uk..so it seems to be a case of the few bad apples giving the rest of them a bad name..so realy you cant blame sarkozy for trying to remove the trouble that has come into his country..if innocent romas get picked on in the process by mistake..then realy it is the blame of the bad uns that have brought down all this trouble on the roma people in the first place..france has always had a zero tolerence approach with its immigrants that they allow to settle in there country..so i dont think this is anything new..

[saddle-tramp]

My step father was half Romany... Bunch of horse/car dealing dodgy basterds....

[chopper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVFlAslG ... re=related


sorry..i got it wrong..it was the romas in bulgaria and not romania that the documentry was about..when i traveled all over europe 10 years ago..i was only in bucherest 3 hours before i was robbed by romas..they only got £50 from me..but the romanian police said i was lucky they never stabbed me..as they have a big problem with the criminal romas in that city..and basicly told me to piss off out of town as it wasnt safe for tourists there..romania is a beautiful country and it could of happend anywere or to anyone..its proberly more dangerous in london or liverpool or amsterdam than bucheresti..so i hold no grudge against the country what so ever..and the women are stunners..whurrrrr....

[Fingerless Glove]

I have a limited experience of the Roma in Ireland and have read little about them in our national newspapers..

A couple of years ago some moved over here and made a roundabout in the middle of a motorway their home

here's the story

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 58753.html

At the time, on the news here, they advised viewers that what they were about to see would shock and sadden them and then they showed images of the encampment..

Dublin's become home to a number of Roma beggars, when they first came here, the women would sit on O'Connell St. bridge seemingly breastfeeding toddlers (who looked very big to me) all day long...people I know who work for a charity here said that many of these beggars had actually dosed their children with some sort of sleeping elixir so they wouldn't wake or need to be tended to i.e. fed, or played with even.

We had a famous story of a Roma beggar being caught out....he used to beg at a busy junction, with a lot of passing traffic in the mornings and evenings when the cars were stuck there in their traffic jams..he pretended he had a disability like cerebral palsy and would rattle up to unsuspecting drivers looking really pathetic begging for money - one day someone spotted him discarding his walking stick and jumping over a wall and continuing to walk like a healthy man...

Kind of stupid really.

Nowadays, the magazine "The Big Issue" tends to be exclusively sold by Roma women but at least the're not sat outside shops or on the bridges in the city centre with their children, keeping them from attending school anymore.

I think Sarkozy might be right to kick the Gypsies out of France if they aren't able to support themselves by working because there is no alternative other than theft for them then and why should any country put up with that?

I was reading recently about the plight of jobless and homeless Polish people in London

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/1 ... h-sleepers

Really, I think the Polish government are responsible for the welfare of their nationals when they aren't capable of finding work for themselves...they should be ensuring those people can get home somehow instead of living in such dire circumstances.

[Jo van]

YEAH!
Bloody Romans!

[Fingerless Glove]

A highly intelligent response as per..

I look forward to seeing what you have to say on the subject after you have read up on it eventually.

[Jo van]

If you'd read any of my posts on such issues, you will know that I don't subscribe to such racial/ethnic/tribal/nationality stereotypes.
I don't doubt that there are people who believe themselves to be that (Roma)
Or that others may agree and identify them as that also.
But I think both are probably erroneous, and were DNA tests to be conducted,
they would probably turn out to be exactly the same 'genetic mongrels' as the rest of us "Thoroughbreds".....

So I think this is both "knee-jerk" and slightly racist, and like most racism, probably has no basis in fact.

We are all "Gypsies", our DNA tells us that.
We have always traveled, we have always migrated.

If any individuals commit crimes, only those individuals should be punished,
not "everyone who looks a little bit like them"..
or dresses like them,
or sounds like them,
or who comes from the same area as them


My "highly intelligent" response.....
JMO

[Fingerless Glove]

So this thread is nonsense because you believe that everybody else is wrong and you are right.... I should have considered what you would reply before bothering to post this because of course you were going to slam the thread on the basis that you believe that we are all one and the same and to think otherwise is racist..

Never mind that EU history is going to be made this week when Sarkozy has to justify his actions to the rest of the EU ....never mind that it's a fact that the Roma are treated abysmally, let's not ask why that is....let's forget that not so long ago a young Roma child drowned off the Italian coast and other people on the beach just ignored the fact that the child was dead, stepping over the child as if it was just a piece of litter...because really we're all supposed to think like you do and not concern ourselves with real life and how certain action's consequences will impact upon us or our children's future.

I'm not sure how the Roma fare in Ireland (the Republic of), but I remember when it was put to our government by Romanian nationals that they would like to be distinguished from their fellow Romanians, the Roma, because they were being discriminated against as a result of them being known as Romanians also.

[Humphrey Osmond]

What is the ethos of the Roma, ....exactly?