zangie wrote:It's funny, but I get accusesd of being too "logical"., or humanist by evangelicals about my aporoach to faith...lol..
The israeli/palestinian conflict has been going on for hundreds of years..no one will be able to get them to accede /agree...what we need is someone who understands both sides, and gets them to compromise in a way that neither lose face...and you will never get anyone with that strong of an emotional conviction to give up their beliefs..on either side....
A popular misconception Zange, I suggest you read this link:
http://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
It's all happened in the last 100 years or so, it was around the 1880's that the concept of "Zionism" was first proposed, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and the Founding of the State of Israel in 1948.
saddle-tramp wrote:Personally, I think you have either chosen to omit, or are ignorant of, but either way, you missed the irony in the content of the above quote...
And yet there was "Mass Immigration into Israel, even before the UDI in 1948, they even have a word for it:
Aliyah (Hebrew: עלייה Translit.: Aliya Translated: "ascent") is the immigration of Jews to the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael). It is a basic tenet of Zionist ideology, and an important component of Judaism. The opposite action, Jewish emigration from Israel, is referred to as Yerida ("descent").[1] While the return to the Holy Land has been a Jewish aspiration since the Babylonian exile, Jewish immigration to Palestine and later Israel has been continuous since 1882.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah
Region↓ 2006 LCR↓ 2006 COB↓ 2005↓ 2000–2004↓ 1990–1999↓ 1980–1989↓ 1972–1979↓ 1961–1971↓ 1952–1960↓ 1948–1951↓ 1919–1948↓ TOTAL↓
GRAND TOTAL 19,269 ..19,269 ...21,180 ...60,647 ..956,319 ..153,833 ..267,580 ..427,828 ..297,138 ..687,624 ...482,857 .. 3,374,275
And people here are always bleating about "immigrants", imagine more than three times as many immigrants, as there were Palestinians. 3.4 million immigrants, who pushed the existing people off their land, and herded them into refugee camps like Gazza. They then Blockade them, and keep them living in poverty.
I'm not religious, but that doesn't seem like a "harmless" or a good thing to me.
Where are all their religious principles...?
"Thou shalt not steal"
They stole the land"Thou shalt not Kill" They killed thousands.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness". They have consistently lied, and ignored UN resolutions
"Thou shalt not 'covet' thy neighbour's Ox"...
They 'covet' the whole country! 
These are their "laws", and yet these "Religious" people have just ignored them.
And all supported, backed, funded, armed by our 'Western' Governments.
Is it any wonder that the muslim extremist hate us...?
We gave them enough reasons to IMO
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