Internet Guru calls for action against media's liberal bias

[Moonbat]

How could such a good employer be such an evil villain??? And such a good benefit package... D'OH!

[zangie]

I almost hate to say anything at all.....but...there doesn't seem to be too many actual people from the US on this thread, but we are being discussed...lol...

I don't read every periodical or newspaper in the country , so I can't say whether there is a majority bias one way or the other...the three major news magazines usually shake out left, right and more center than either..my local newspapers...one is more left, one more right...but, all publications have both a bias and an agenda..that's what happens when you have a system fighting within each other for power...almost all, if not all, politicians have a bias or an agenda..regardless of party or ideology...and both sides have corruption, though generally in different areas...republicans tend to get in money scandals...democrats sex ones...all seem pretty power/money invested personally, regardless of what their party line is...none particularly care about the middle class or "ordinary' citizen beyond their vote...

To be perfectly frank...I'm tired of all of them..I lost respect for the democrats when they started preaching that disagreeing means hating, and using celebrities as some kind of self styled experts on politics..I lost respect for the republicans when they started sounding awful racist, bigoted and elitist...the libertines are bordering on anarchy..

I am without a party...lol...I started out as a flaming liberal..I have moved more to the right as I've aged ( something my father predicted), because some things sound ideal , but, don't appear to work in practice... but, some things I'm still pretty to the "left " about..human rights, animal rights, environmental concerns, capital punishment ( more right on abortion, fiscal policies, and above all..less government interference in my personal choices)...but, in moderate ways...I do not like the extremes of either side...to be honest, guys...I respect and like you a lot..but, the apparent kind of "liberal" you all seem to be...really scares the crap out of me...and I am neither narrow minded, bigoted, power hungry or anything known to be the antithesis of the left..and I am certainly not ignorant or conformist...what I am though, is a big proponent of freedom of choice and less control...especially by a government I can't trust...no matter which party is running it...

I really don't see where I am going politically, no politician I am aware of is anywhere close to the values and ideas I have for quality of life..I have lost respect for almost all of them one way or the other...maybe new parties need to be created..I have no idea...

I know that I am making less and less money, paying more and more taxes, most of which doesn't pay for what it should, (evidently governments aren't required to live within their means either, or learn how to manage their money better), and soon I'm going to owe them money...lol..I feel insecure about my job, and my ability to not end up homeless at some point..lol..

Personally...it has gone far beyond conservative, liberal, republican, democrat in my mind..and I really hate the fighting at any time ( sorry..I'm a natural peace keeper/ conciliator most times)..which has done exactly nothing except widen the gap and spread the hate....

IMO: it will never be fixed till both sides can learn to listen to each other and compromise..because I refuse to believe that most people aren't all after the same goals ...just arguing on how best to get there...

I really, really hate that differences in politics has become such that one is required to despise the other side...it wasn't always like that...

[Fingerless Glove]

Well there you are Zangie.ultimately you should be allowed to express your thoughts and feelings without being labelled as a something or another...if all those lot with their superior leftist views would allow us to do so of course.

It's probably really pointless to use as an example the story of today's release from Arbour Hill in Dublin of a sex beast called Larry Murphy to show how destructive to society the PC mentality actually is..so I won't bother me barney....besides there are too many fakes on this site buoying each other up with ridiculous nonsense..obstructing the path of truth

[Moonbat]

Personally...it has gone far beyond conservative, liberal, republican, democrat in my mind..and I really hate the fighting at any time ( sorry..I'm a natural peace keeper/ conciliator most times)..which has done exactly nothing except widen the gap and spread the hate....

IMO: it will never be fixed till both sides can learn to listen to each other and compromise..because I refuse to believe that most people aren't all after the same goals ...just arguing on how best to get there...

I really, really hate that differences in politics has become such that one is required to despise the other side...it wasn't always like that...

You see, you really are on the right track here...but you cannot allow fear of telling the truth for fear it will be called "taking a side" stop you from doing so. Truth isn't partisan. It also requires you to constantly examine your own belief set, be prepared to eat large doses of crow at times and be prepared to endure plenty of slings and arrows from the thoroughly indoctrinated of any camp. The first step is applying reason and doubt to your beliefs and being comfortable with that shifty state...once the initial nausea wears off it can be quite a hoot

The only time language seeming like "hate" is required is righteous wrath. When injustice against one's fellow human beings is perpetuated in the name of keeping a balanced ledger, then strong words are required. As Jacob Marley howled to an as of yet unrepentant Scrooge "mankind is our business." When you see people swaying from that axiom towards that of devil take the hindmost, you know you are in the territory of folks that maybe need Marley to "rattle" their "ponderous length" of chain.

Well there you are Zangie.ultimately you should be allowed to express your thoughts and feelings without being labelled as a something or another...if all those lot with their superior leftist views would allow us to do so of course.
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It's probably really pointless to use as an example the story of today's release from Arbour Hill in Dublin of a sex beast called Larry Murphy to show how destructive to society the PC mentality actually is..so I won't bother me barney....besides there are too many fakes on this site buoying each other up with ridiculous nonsense..obstructing the path of truth

Fakes? Indeed. And is that what they are doing? "Obstructing the Path of Truth!" (sotto voce - how melodramatic!) After which they no doubt twirl their mustaches, flatten an orphanage and tie you to the tracks. I thought they were just putting up refutations to arguments and seeing if anyone could present a refutation to them...you know...dialectic? It's been around for awhile.

[Humphrey Osmond]

Fakes? Indeed. And is that what they are doing? "Obstructing the Path of Truth!" (sotto voce - how melodramatic!)

Yet another tactic of the far-right disinfotainment industry. (the deluded ramblings of mental illness notwithstanding).

Fabricate an evil, attack the fabrication, ...point at it and whine and moan while playing "the victim" (even though it doesn't exist, ...'cause some will believe).

Of course, this entire false accusation of an "obstructing the path of truth" is nothing but a lie.

See: "The assumption was found to be untrue."
- LadyGodiva newsroom-site-feedback-f23/multiple-profiles-t2164.html

Q.E.D.

(though the word "assumption" is a good example of PC sugar-coating here, ...a lie is a lie)

"Fama, malum qua non aliud velocius alium" (Rumour, than whom no other evil thing is faster)
- Virgil [Aeneid iv. 174]

"The main difference between a cat and a lie is that a cat only has nine lives."
- Sam Clemmons

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
- JFK

re: Andrew Breithart, et al (fans included); This, in the final analysis, is the net total ends of their means.

[Jo van]

if all those lot with their superior leftist views would allow us to do so of course.

I find that an odd comment from you, as I would describe your views (from what I've seen) as being quite "leftist", if asked....

besides there are too many fakes on this site buoying each other up with ridiculous nonsense..obstructing the path of truth

Fakes? Indeed. And is that what they are doing? "Obstructing the Path of Truth!" (sotto voce - how melodramatic!)

Awww Don't mind FG., Moonbat, she tends to start any new online interaction, with the accusation that you're "a fake" (Speaking from personal experience..).
Once she realises that you're not, she will then amend her stance and say that she "meant" that you're "fake" in your opinions, or the way in which you portray yourself.
It's a useful "buckshot" approach, maybe she got fooled once, I don't know...?
This way, if you ARE a "fake", she can say "I told you so, I knew it, I saw right through you"...
And if not, well, she never meant THAT sort of "fake"....
"Belt AND braces" perhaps..?
I think she tends to judge people by her own standards, her latest POF incarnation was recently nuked, but I'm fairly sure she never was a 6'2" Man from Manchester......

I watched Belle's clip of the Glenn Beck guy...
What a complete c0ck!
And his statistic of something like 77% of Democrat News pieces were "positive"
Whereas 88% of Democrat pieces were "Negative"...
It just made me think....
Maybe the Democrats just have good ideas,
and the Republicans SH1T ones...?

[66Scorpio]

And how exactly did "Government meddling" in the "free market", "cause the problem"...?
Did the Government play any part in the creations of the "Sub-Prime" mortgage deals that were sold, and then re-packaged as "CDO's", and "SIV's", and then sold on to other financial institututions..? (After first having been given AAA ratings by Agencies like "Standard and Poor")

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were government creations for the purpose of getting poor people to buy homes they couldn't afford. It was a socialist intervention into the free market. Businesses simply followed the rules they were given with inevitable, although not immediate, results.

And just as I thought, you have absolutely no answer as to why all those previously right-wing Bankers went completely against their ideologies, and begged to be saved with PUBLIC MONEY!
And you, (and all the other "free-market ideologists) have absolutely no alternative solution to the "Bailout".

WTF are you talking about? Business people are not necessarily "ideological" about anything but making money however they can. They are no different than union and commmunist leaders in that respect.

Adam Smith recognized that, but he also recognized that introducing perversions into a free market could result in other perversions.

The alternative to a bailout is no bailout. Let the (formerly?) rich hang and automatic stabilizers will take care of the not so high and mighty affected.
They always claimed that "Red Tape" and "Government Intervention" "stifled enterprise", and were barriers they didn't need, and the Governments capitulated, and gave them exactly what they said they "needed"..
And look what happened....
In the wake of the crisis, even our newly elected Conservative Government is considering re-introducing the previous restrictions to prevent the future "gambling" of deposits of "Retail Banks".
And guess what... the Banks are against it!!


I'll wait for your specific examples of "Government Meddling" that "caused the crisis", but I suspect I'll have a long wait...
I'm still waiting to hear why all those right-wing Bankers went against their their own ideologies, and not only accepted the public 'bailout', but begged for it... I suspect they were also "apocalyptic" in their 'prognosis', I don't know if you noticed, but the financial apocalypse really was upon us! [/quote]

[Jo van]

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were government creations for the purpose of getting poor people to buy homes they couldn't afford. It was a socialist intervention into the free market. Businesses simply followed the rules they were given with inevitable, although not immediate, results.

Yeah, that's right, "the socialists made them gamble"...
The 'trick' was to make high risk loans, and sell them on, after first creating all sorts of "CDO's" and SIV's., all carefully constructed to be complicated, and difficult to unravel...Get them AAA ratings, and then sell them on, before the ink was dry, on the basis that they were "high yield" "low risk".
The above sounds like someone not taking responsibility for bankrupting their own companies.
I don't care how "persuasive" someone is, if they told me to gamble with my assets, I'd tell them to gamble with their own.
And what about Lehman Bro's..?
Were they also a "socialist intervention"...?
And many of the Banks/building societies also 'doctored' their balance sheets to hide the true extent of their defaults, like Northern Rock did, in this country.
And what about Companies like Goldman Sachs, who grew richer by short selling the stocks in Northern Rock, and starting the 'run'..?
Was that also "Socialism" at work...?
Greed and dishonesty were what caused it, IMO., NOT "the Governments".

WTF are you talking about? Business people are not necessarily "ideological" about anything but making money however they can.

^^^ Sounds like an "Ideology" to me!
I was thinking more about the vast funds that had been spent on 'lobbying' over the years, to remove "Red Tape" and "Government Meddling" which all the financial institutions had claimed was a 'hinderance' to enterprise. In other words a right-wing capitalist, free-market ideology, but with truly gargantuan hypocrisy, they begged for "Government Intervention", when their jobs were at risk, and their companies insolvent, through their own mismanagement and reckless behaviour.

They are no different than union and commmunist leaders in that respect.

I think you're getting confused!

[Moonbat]

It's official.

This thread has now been rendered pointlessly ironic by Newscorp's confirmation of what we knew all along, that they are a paid propaganda front for the Republican Party.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/news-corp-donates-1-million-to-g-o-p-governors/

News Corp. Donates $1 Million to G.O.P. Governors
By BRIAN STELTER
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The News Corporation, controlled by Rupert Murdoch, contributed $1 million to the Republican Governors Association this summer, the Bloomberg news service reported this week.

The donation makes News Corporation the Republican group’s single “biggest corporate donor,” according to Bloomberg.

Large contributions to so-called 527 groups like the governors’ association by media companies are relatively rare, said Dave Levinthal, a spokesman for OpenSecrets.org, a Web site operated by the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics.

“There are examples on both sides, Democrat and Republican, but they’re few and far between,” Mr. Levinthal said. In the 2008 election cycle, a publisher of alternative newspapers called Newsweb contributed $1.67 million to 527 groups, he said, more than any other media company.

Some progressives seized on News Corporation’s contribution as evidence of bias. Media Matters for America, the liberal media monitoring organization, claimed that “this large corporate donation to the G.O.P. underscores News Corp.’s role as an appendage of the Republican Party.”

Mr. Murdoch is generally described as conservative, and many of his publications’ editorial pages skew in that direction. He owns the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post, among others.

In an e-mail blast to reporters, the Democratic National Committee cited a headline on The Huffington Post, which called the donation “Fox & Funds,” a play on the Fox News Channel’s morning show, “Fox & Friends.”

Later, the committee’s national press secretary Hari Sevugan said in a statement, “‘Fair and Balanced’ has been rendered utterly meaningless. Any pretense that may have existed about the ties between Fox News and the Republican Party has been ripped violently away.”

Fox News maintains that its news programs are objective. Its most popular programs are conservative talk shows.

Asked about the contribution, a News Corporation spokesman, Jack Horner, said in a statement that “News Corporation has always believed in the power of free markets, and organizations like the R.G.A., which have a pro-business agenda, support our priorities at this most critical time for our economy.”

Yahoo noted Tuesday that News Corporation’s political action committee had given much smaller donations to members of both political parties in the past.

Considering how many "fair and balanced" pundits are former or current GOP candidates or boosters for candidates using Fox as a platform for promoting GOP and Tea Party agendas instead of reporting the news and thus rendering the network as a paid commercial with no pretense to actual journalism, including in their so called hard news, and the fact that Roger Ailes is a former GOP stalwart...I would say it's truthiness is highly suspect. In fact if you watch this YouTube Channel, you will see it really is a mess.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LiberalViewer

Example:

Also recently released was this blueprint for the GOP's plan for revitalizing America...

[66Scorpio]

Talk about getting things backwards. Newscorp gives some politicians money and yet it is Newscorp that is bought and paid for?